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  1. Nambo
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    Scenario:
    New rider on L's. Been riding a few months, and had a classic SMIDSY that I've only read so much about.

    Techniques Applied:
    A swerve and some gestures and utterances of disbelief.

    Location:
    Where Chandler Street intersects with Benjamin Way.

    Weather:
    Night time - weather was fine.

    Description:
    I was cruising down Benjamin Way (well within limit) on relatively empty roads around 8:30 last night. Right lane, right wheel track. As I was passing the taxi rank, on my way to ultimately turn right at the intersection with Emu Bank, a guy pulls out on me where Chandler Street intersects with Benjamin Way.

    First thing that happened, even without me thinking about it, was to apply some pressure on the breaks. Interestingly, I didn't slam them on as what I thought my instinctual reaction would be. I soon realized that if I kept straight and attempted to simply brake in a straight line I would simply not make it - and end up as a hood ornament. I abandoned breaking very quickly (I had barely washed off any speed) and swerved instead. Luckily there were no cars in the left lane otherwise I would have bounced off of a couple of cars.

    Anyway, my brain/body was on autopilot/self-preservation mode at this point. I managed to swerve without incident and be on my merry way, but not before I slowed down and waited for this guy to pass me so I could at least look him in the eye and shake my head and point to eyes/brain. He took his time though and probably wanted me to be long gone before having to face that. Luckily the lights at Emu Bank were in my favor and I could wait for him to pass (he was headed left, while I was going right). Once he got close enough I able to act out my displeasure. He, in turn, looked apologetic and kept giving my the 'time-out' signal - which I was unsure how to interpret.


    Cause of incident:

    Him. But I could have done a few things once I saw the possible SMIDSY. In that case, I could have moved to the left wheel track, or lane, to give myself some room, and it meant the swerve would have been a lot less dramatic. Or perhaps done a little weave within my lane to make myself more visible.

    The biggest thing was probably assuming that "It'll be alright" and proceeding to ride into what could have been, and evidently was, a dangerous situation.


    Lessons Learned or Re-affirmed:

    Don't make assumptions about traffic, and that practicing swerves helps, because it really got me used to the feeling of snapping the weight of the bike to the left or right quite dramatically, and to feel comfortable when doing that.
     
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    Just read through this thread as I get closer to getting my P's to remind myself that you're not invincible out there. Great tips and advice for novice riders and a healthy reminder of the risks involved when you're on two wheels. Figured I better make a contribution myself and share a failed scenario I had a few months after I started riding.

    Scenario: Entering roundabout.

    Techniques Applied: None unfortunately

    Location: Intersection of Athllon and Melrose Drive

    Weather: Dry and mild autumn arvo in May.

    Description: So I've just been out picking up a mother's day present and now running late (mistake one) to watch my brother play for Marist against Eddies in the local schoolboy rugby derby at Griffith. I'm keen to see the full 70 minutes and know I'm going to already miss kick off. Engaging in a bit of reckless riding coming down Athllon I'm trying to work out (mistake two) the quickest way to get to the game as I come up to the small roundabout at the bottom of Melrose drive heading north toward Hindmarsh, no one waiting in front of me as I approach the roundabout doing around 40. Concentrating on things besides the road, I fail to see the grey hatch that has blended into the background and is already in the roundabout and intending to head up Melrose. When I'm about 10m from entering the roundabout and still doing around 40k I finally notice the hatch and realise I'm going to hit it if I don't stop. I don't have my brake covered because I'm stupid and full of testosterone (mistake three). So in true n00b fashion I panic and grab the biggest handful of front brake I can manage (mistake four) and of the front washes out sending my bike down the road in front of me with me chasing it on my stomach with my arms out in front of me like superman. The guy in the hatch saw this and immediately stopped but I was far enough out still when I grabbed the brake that the bike came to a stop before it entered the roundabout - an indication to me that I could have pulled up safely had I been focused on the road and not getting to the game.

    As soon as I came to a stop I got up, raised my hand in apology to the guy in the roundabout instinctively (for freaking him out I assume), picked the bike up and pushed it onto the island, heart going a million miles and hour and me thinking 'shit, how quick did that all happen' as I stare at the damage. No one stopped to ask how I was or anything...but maybe that was because of how quick I got back up...combined with the person behind me perhaps being a witness to my earlier reckless riding. I eventually managed to bump start it a few minutes later and got to the game which was a cracker and we won 28-26 or something. The ride home was painful.

    Damage: Obligatory bruised ego, swollen and sore left knee and wrist for a week, chaffed up jacket and tears in gloves, bent left bar, one cracked fairing plus scratches on all left side minus the back plus scratches on virtually everything on the left side of the bike. Draggins I had purchased a couple of weeks earlier were completely unscathed despite my left knee taking the brunt of the impact - brilliant.

    Lessons Learned: It's inevitable that you will be in a hurry at some point on a bike, but you need to acknowledge it and try to remain vigilant at all times. Being in a hurry and unsure of the best route is a bad combination. Focus on what you are doing! Practice that e-braking...I had done some but clearly not enough, I have no doubt that I could have avoided the fall and the collision if I had done adequate practice.

    Reaffirmed: Only one because I fucked up. ATGATT! I never get on the bike without it now, knowing how much uglier it could have been for me - there would have been some bone showing for sure!

    When shit happens on a bike it happens fast...
     
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    You looked down. Come to practise on Tuesday arvo and we can sort that quick smart. It is the most common reason inexperienced riders go down in an emergency braking situation.
     
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    No doubt you're right. It all happened so quickly I couldn't tell where I was looking!

    I should be there tomorrow so you can set me straight heidi.
     
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    Scenario:

    Kangaroo Sneaking across the road, 21:30 at night.

    Techniques Applied:

    Swerve and slightly slow down

    Location:

    Woden bound, down hill, Just after the form one lane

    Weather:

    Dry, lightly scattered clouds.

    Description:

    While riding over the top of hindmarsh (Between the average speed camera's) both a white hatchback and i where crusing over the top. i always take it easy on this stretch... mainly cos it's got average speed cameras (... well primarily)

    I was cruising over the top at about a 75-78 range and hugging the left most lane. little white hatch back was doing about the same in the right hand land. We both crest and start to coast down, look to the right to check for a non existant car in my lane and merge. Little white hatch back continued merrily down the hill. I'm just coasting down, the little white hatch back gains a little speed and keeps on... keeping on.

    Next thing i see is a Kangaroo Crawling(not injured) that 4 pawed foraging walk movemement they do when going slow (ie. not jumping/wait ever the bounding Kangaroo gait is called. ) it was almost as if it was trying to sneak across the road "if i go slow enough, the bright eyed monsters won't see me!"! (I have no idea how the little white hatch back didn't even see it.. she would have missed it by centimeteres)


    No one... or animal was hurt (although, if this had happened 45kg's ago i'd probably would have had a heart attack). I did an emergency swerve(it was obscenely close) and then slowed down to sub 50 speeds for the rest of the descent.


    Cause of incident:

    Blind Spot caused by a little white hatchback.

    Lessons Learned or Re-affirmed:

    Vigilance and emergency manouever pratice... Kinda happy the speed camera's are there, otherwise i might have been going a tad quicker... lol although, that would also have meant that i would have been long gone my the time the kangaroo decided to how the grass was greener on the other side.
     
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    Scenario:
    Coasting down the Brown Mountain before the last 25km hairpin in neutral and potentially crashing into rock face wall on Right hand side of road…In the wet…

    Technique Applied:

    Kept head clear, did not use normal survival reactions (target fixate, panic, grab handful of brake);
    Used motorbike rider survival reactions and LOOKED where I wanted to go and when I ended up back in left hand side of road popped bike back into gear and continued on my way..

    Location:
    Brown Mountain heading towards the coast gentle curve just prior to the final 25kms hairpin left hander.

    Weather:
    Had been pissing down from Nimmitabel, was not raining on the Brown but the road was saturated and a little slippery..

    Description:
    So a bunch of us went on a weekend overnighter to visit Edenboy and the radiant Princess_8578, and we took it fairly easy down the Brown (well I was anyway) as it had been raining ++ since Nimmitabel..

    I was shifting between 2nd and 1st gear, something I don’t normally do as usually only go as low as 2nd on roads like that… but for some reason 1st felt a little more planted for me that day. Was my first time on the Brown Mountain too, as normally I would be on the Clyde.
    Well one point as I was preparing for the hairpin I shifted to 1st but bike got stuck in neutral and would NOT shift back into gear..before I knew it I was on the wrong side of the road drifting towards the rock face.. thinking shit, I’m gonna crash into that rock face.. then I pulled myself together and said NUP, I’m not gonna crash into that rock face today, I want to go there…*looks to the left side of the road..
    Thinking “don’t panic, don’t grab any brake, in fact don’t even touch the brakes at all… look where I want to go.. if a car comes up the hill so be it, shit happens..”

    Anyway I moved back over the left side and was then able to pop bike into gear.

    Lessons Learned or Reaffirmed:
    Motorbike rider survival reactions must be different to normal survival reactions if you want to stay safe.
    Practice overriding your normal reactions and REMEMBER to stay calm and complete each step in order to get you out of danger.
    All this happens in seconds I have to say.

    Perhaps I should have just stayed in 2nd gear instead of upsetting the bike so much…
    I had tried to pop into first a few times and only when I couldn’t and continued to drift over to wall I realized I had to do something else to sort it out… Perhaps I should have popped up to 2nd instead??

    Either way there was no incident and I’m surprised at how calm I remained. Even after the fact, I didn’t go into that panic self-deprecating mode…

    Cheers!!!
     
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    Yep, popping up to second is a good plan. Saves on locking up the rear, for sure, especially in conditions like you describe.

    Another thing to consider: check your chain tension. Gear shifting is assisted by just the right amount of preload on the front sprocket (I'm not kidding). If the chain is a bit loose you can have the symptoms you described of it just not wanting to shift. Though also if you were using some rear brake that could also add some drag and change the load the front sprocket sees from the chain and that again makes it harder to shift.

    (I'm not saying don't use the rear brake, just look at the bike and see if the chain tension is perhaps a little loose or even a little tight. Also just explaining, with the rear brake thing, why even perfect chain can still result in misshifts anyway in just the right circumstances).

    Not panicing is the big thing and you did the most important part right: not crashing. I misshifted at Wakefield the other way going through the kink and actually discovered I'd found a false neutral below the gear I wanted... all I did was calmly get it into the right spot in neutral, then went up a gear to make sure I didn't lock the back up, rode around the next corner as a numpty, then back onto it. Didn't even run off the track, though I had to make sure I didn't panic.
     
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    [MENTION=14413]Epona[/MENTION], glad to see you bike SR came in to play quite nicely and no accident was caused!!!!
     
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    Bumpage to remind people we have an analyzing thread rather than everyone starting 10 of their own...
     
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    Hi Adrian,
    Is it possible to merge my thread to this thread? I missed this thread before posting mine. Sorry.
     
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    First time this has happened to me.. the classic SMIDSY.

    Location
    Riding along 80 km road just leaving Bungendore heading to Tarago.. doing limit as a truck about 5 lengths in front and I'm just waiting for it to turn in to one of the side streets further along (as I'm a mind reader and just know it's gonna happen)..

    Event
    Notice on my left a car coming up from side street indicating right..
    truck passes the car.. there is oncoming traffic.. a little ways ahead..
    I'm doing the smidsy slalom...slalom, slalom... Oh fark he's pulled out asshat!
    Then he does the classic "OH SHIT bike!"..slams on brakes, car jerks to a halt and now blocking my entire lane.

    Techniques applied
    So within about a 100ths of a second I think.. should I go behind to his left as cars are oncoming??? NO.. not enough room..
    Swerve to opposite side of road and around him.. able to judge distance of oncoming traffic..I'll just make it woot!
    Initiate and complete the classic obstacle avoidance technique whilst able to manage to scream at the driver "Farking C**t!"..
    swerve back to my lane, shake head...take a deep breath whilst the adrenaline surges..
    slow down as truck in front turns right into side street.. exactly as predicted.. lol.

    Outcome
    Complete Crookwell loop noticing a few shingleback lizards basking on the road.. plus I spotted a tiny skink, so cute.

    Lessons Learnt
    Yay for practicing obstacle avoidance regularly when out and about..
    swerve around that pothole.. skink,... echidna. (yes really)..

    Know that all efforts to make yourself visible to drivers will not always be enough.

    Trust your instincts..

    So after three years and four months of riding I'm proud to say my human survival instincts have been over ridden by my motorbike rider survivor instincts.
    ie: don't slam on brakes, have an escape route set up, oh and just fang it out!
    cheers!!
     
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    Glad you're OK [MENTION=14413]Epona[/MENTION]; that could of been lights out..

    Nice day for a ride; I love the Crookwell loop (so green at the moment). I did the Old Federal Hwy, Shingle Hill Way, Murrumbateman Rd back up the Barton loop.
     
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    Agree [MENTION=34353]Matty-B[/MENTION] - the Murrumbateman ride has mixed memories lol (you pushing me off the lights with one leg on the Barton Hwy won't easily be forgotten)..
     
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    scenario:
    come a cropper on roundabout in morning peak.. so a big audience :(

    Technique applied:
    gracefully fall backwards off the bike, hit my head and jump up immediately when no-one ran over me.. Win!

    Location:
    Little roundabout at Brindabella Business Park

    Weather:
    Winter, wind, rain, cold
    ARGH!!!!

    Description:
    Carl from Dahlitz's voice ringing in my head this morning after I picked up the bike with brand new tyres on .. "you know the drill.. take it easy."
    Weather forecast to be shit.. take car? Nooooooo.. I hate driving in to work, it just doesnt make sense. I've ridden in much worse weather than this before.. (just not with brand new un scrubbed in tyres).

    What can I say? Just as I exited the little roundabout the front suddenly disappeared and I thought 'that's not right!" and bam down I went.
    I suppose it was a combination of new un scrubbed tyres, cold tyres, cold wet road.. Maybe there was oil (who knows).. I just messed up, but nothing worse than the bike equivalent tripping over on the street.. sometimes that happens you know.

    I'm fine!.. No damage to me..
    The bike is fine! apart from a slightly scuffed exhaust and broken rear brake peg, it's fine.

    Helmet needs to be binned :(

    BIG THANK YOU TO @Humptey who happened to drive past just after.. he popped home to pick up trailer and took me home :) thank you thank you thank you!!!

    Also a big thanks to @supamodel for the moral support whilst I was waiting in the wind and rain on side of the road for trailer to come.. thanks so much :)


    thanks to all the car drivers who stopped to help..and for not running me over.. I really appreciated that and it was the first thing I thought of as I hit the ground.
    Even a bus driver stopped and asked if I needed a lift lol.. then came a policeman he just asked if I was ok..

    Lessons Learned:
    I now know the limit of grip of brand dual compound sport tyres on wet, cold and slippery roads..
     
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    Oh crap :( glad you are ok!!
     
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    No worries @Epona, heal up and good to hear the bike isn't too bad. Bikes do fall over sometimes and especially when it comes to the front they do tend to fall over fast when they want to.

    EDIT: Maybe you should have used nitrogen in the new tyres ;).
     
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    Oh no! Glad to read that you're OK @Epona!

    Scratches add character :)
     
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    Bloody hell Diana, glad to hear you're ok! And that your fall was so graceful, I would've expected no less!
     
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    Having been in a situation where I asked too much of brand new tyres at a roundabout, I can sympathise. Glad you're ok. And I hope the bike isn't too out of shape.
     
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    Glad to hear you're OK!.. and that there were people helping out, always seems to be someone from CR close by!

    New tires are slippery in the dry, let alone on a wet and cold road (as you said) :(
     
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