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    Hey people,

    I've been thinking about making a permanently mounted camera set up for my race bike as I'm planning to permanently mount the camera through a small hole in the front fairing with a plastic/perspex cover preferably with a separate storage unit then using a relay to wire it into the ignition.

    Anyone know much about this kinda thing? I'm assuming dash cams are set up in a similar way however I've noticed that many aren't particularly waterproof and I'm not sure how they'll go with the vibration.

    I know Mstevo has his fancy vbox set up but hoping to avoid spending quite so much :p

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    Jaycar lipstick cameras used to be the go, that's what I used to use back in the day pre GoPros etc. back then used to record to a MiniDV camera that allowed av in. These days there are units available on ebay etc that will record to solid state devices.

    There are, no doubt, HD lipstick cams out there too.

    EDIT: Also, if you're gonna do it nicely, the microphones on all the small cameras usually sucks. So an independent microphone and a small microphone preamp are the go there. Mount mic somewhere up in the tail so it doesn't get wind noise and bobs yer uncle.
     
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    It was either @Matej-O or @Madmonk who has done this to their VStrom recently.
     
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    Yea I've seen there are some Dash cam units such as the Innov C3 however there seem to be a few bugs with many of them.

    Do the lippy cameras deal with vibrations very well? Most of the footage I see from them seems to not deal with the vibration very well.

    Also found these guys in UK http://www.4kam.com/46Kam_onboard_bike_camera.htm
     
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    Mount using a couple of grommets :)

    Non interlaced units ie 480p or 720-1080p (which would be HD) are the go. Some of the cheaper ones are interlaced and that ends up amplifying vibrations.
     
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    Hmmm interesting, would be interesting to hear from people who have actually got something to work. It's very easy to say grab these things and it works but research seems to indicate people actually struggling to compile their own systems. I'll spend a bit of time tonight trying to scrounge together a shopping list.
     
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    Well, back in the day I used a Jaycar lipstick camera, discontinued, a bunch of AV cables, a Canon and then a Panasonic MiniDV camera, a cheap $20 microphone and a make it yourself preamp from Jaycar for the microphone. I just can't send you to buy most of it anymore :).
     
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    Proving my TGR credentials span way back into the distant past, here's a test run from '03.

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    Didn't have any black tape handy for the test and I'd need to go through my backed up photos to look for either video to show you how it went or actual decent pics of it permanently installed.

    The big one would be finding a decent solid state recording device that people suggest works well. That'd be the biggest area you'd want to suss out.
     
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    @Binksy - I did exactly this back in 2006/07/08, using a Jaycar lippie camera mounted in the nose-cone of the ZX12R, hooked up to a Canon miniDV recorder which used to sit in the undertail. The microphone was a tie-clip microphone which used to sit up under the ducktail right near the exhaust exit.

    I had this set-up for a couple of years. It was used at Wakefield on a couple of CR track days, at Eastern Creek (very covert we were back then ;) ) - and also on a couple of early LWH rides. I used the same set-up on the 7/11 hybrid back in 2008 when it did a heap of track-days before being used as a PCRA bike. I also used it on the 12 for a KSRC CDT back in the day - it was a big hit each night when we could watch ourselves riding like pork-chops ;).

    The lippie cam needs its own +12v supply, which I pulled from the lighting circuit. Once the city-light (fitted between the headlights of the 12) was removed, that gave me a permanent +12v supply switched by the key. Perfect :)

    +12v feed for the miniDV recorder was pulled from the original tail-light harness. Again, switched by the ignition key. The tie-clip microphone was not powered and just plugged straight into the A/V input of the camcorder.

    You need to make sure the camcorder is mounted with some bubble-wrap, to stop it turning itself on and off if it was bouncing in the ducktail. There is essentially no vibration in the lippie-cam whatsoever - at least that is what I found with my set-up. There never seemed to be any issue with the camera vibrating or tape issues ? The only real problem was the camera moving around and bumping the controls.

    Here are a couple of pics and some videos taken with this set-up. The lippie cam was only a 420? so the resolution is not that good through Youtube - its OK on a DVD though.

    Lippie-cam set up ....

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    Very first trial video I did with the lippie-cam set up underneath one of the fairing 'wings' on the Barge :)



    Here is the CR track day from back in 2008 - but the fuckers have deleted the audio track because of a couple of songs on there.......total bullshit really. I should re-do that video with just the exhaust note - it sounds great ;)



    Here is Oran Park on the Barge - audio tracks unmolested :)



    Last one a bootleg copy from Eastern Creek - back in the days when you would get instantly booted out of the circuit for recording video.





    The quality of lippie cams has probably improved a heap since back then. Not sure how you will go getting a miniDV recorder - but it must have a 'pass-through' video option. This allows you to record from an external source (i.e. external A/V inputs from lippie cam and microphone) - and not many camcorders have this capacity (well at least they didn't back then).

    Let me know if you need a hand setting this up mate - I really enjoyed doing the videos back then, and have a heap of miniDV tapes with footage that still needs to be uploaded to Youtube. The CDT videos are really good as well ;)

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    Thanks @Gosling1, seems to be a fair bit of chatter about people wanting to put dashcam style recorder on their bike. Which is essentially what I want. Record when power on and hardwired for power.

    Not alot of premade packages around for it though. Which I find a little surprising giving the number of people putting dashcams in cars
     
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    Dashcams in cars are bloody easy though. All in one units that mount up to, say, the windscreen, plug into the cigarette lighter socket for 12V (or wire in for more permanent a solution). Def not that easy for bikes though.
     
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    a dashcam-style setup sounds a hell of a lot easier than the old way of doing this ;)

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    Hmmm forgot that drift cameras have DVR mode. So they might be an option although not perfect. I can hardwire them to the ignition but getting the footage could be annoying. Slightly more obvious than I'd hoped.
     
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    I've been thinking the same way for a dash cam. This is, I think, exactly what you want. Small separate lens for easy permanent mounting and it comes with looped recording with various triggers for dash cam needs.

    Innovv C3

    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=371178209159&alt=web


    I've seen some test cases with people setting it up exactly as you describe, seems to work perfectly.
     
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    Yea it seems to be the top dog at the moment, a premade set up that you should be able to chase a warranty if anything goes wrong and an okay camera for ~200.
     
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    @Binksy - I had a bit of a look around a few sites selling cameras with a loop mode - there are a lot of models on the market in the US ? Pretty similiar in operation to a GoPro and also in size etc - but with the capacity to record the same way a dashcam does....

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    Yea did a little more looking around and quite a few do, however I think I'll be trying to find something that has a separate recording unit. Trying to get data out of someone that's stuck right up in the nose could get annoying. Although I suppose I could just have a cable set up somewhere on the bike to get the info off
     
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    Hmm everything seems to keep coming back to the Innovv C3.
     
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