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    Just an air kit under the back of it so you can pump it up heaps of inches when you want, then drop it to the ground when required...
     
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    Actually something you can get. Wheel movement is fairly free, but if the bike is moving it's a lot stiffer.
     
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    Turns out wideband oxygen sensors are really good at getting accurate information on what the engine is doing. Pity I had to spend so much on them. Now I need to work out a way to keep them on permanent.
     
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    O2 sensors for the exhaust?
    Either find a matching nut, drill a hole and have it welded in place.
    Get a pair of California headers.
     
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    I've got a set of bungs with the kit. But the problem is the locations. There is a good spot for them, but that is where the narrow bands are meant to be. Currently the narrows are in a draw, with the wide bands fitted. Fitting the second set of bungs is harder.
    Really need to put the narrow bands back in, as I can't get the bike to run closed loop without them. But for tuning, I get better data with the wides.
     
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    Naturally you get better data with the WBO, that's the point ;).

    My innovate LM2 can output narrowband output with a wbo, it's very useful for data testing in the ute for instance (Monster has the closed loop crap removed).
     
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    I was gonna say what supamodel just said. Normally a wideband controller can output a narrowband signal as well. Had the Innovate LC-1 in my RAV4 with the narrow running to the stock ECU to generate a fueling profile ready for the new ECU.

    What brand/model wideband controller is it?
     
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    Dynojet AT110, not sure if I can output a narrowband signal from it. And the connectors are impossible to hide. WP_20150622_10_20_30_Pro.jpg
     
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    Should still be able to go through some other logger etc. pretty sure my innovate had a tail available so you had wbo into it then narrowband and wideband out. Wbo out to at110, narrow band to ecu

    That said it'll fight itself in the closed loop areas anyway. No way of pissing that off? Probably best thing Brett did to my Monster. That's where the tune sucked the most from the factory -- and the DucatiPerformance one was even worse there!
     
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    I can turn off closed loop easy enough. One bit of data turned from a 1 to a 0. Can even do it road side.
    Problem is the uneven heating of the cylinders. Not a real issue while riding, but can get changes from 13.0:1 to 16 0:1 while idling. Riding is fairly stable and have spent the past week without them.
     
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    Just had a quick read. Looks like the way Dynojet suggest it is installed is by drilling the exhaust and welding mounting the bungs.

    If Dynojet had put some thought into it the would have allowed the o2 sensor input to be switched to the CAN input from the AT110 instead of a directly connected narrowband sensor. But looks like running 4 sensors is how they suggest permanently installing it all...?
     
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    How do you find the power of the 1200?

    I've been keeping an out for one as a bit of a project.

    I saw that 1250 kits are only around $1500, which is pretty good really, especially if an 883 comes up on the cheap.

    Can the be built up to rev a bit higher? As in, different cams etc
     
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    Can't tune each cylinder independently?
     
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    5000 different options, even factory backed stuff like Buell cams going into Nightsters etc
     
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    Can tune each cylinder by itself, but they heat up differently. At 160 degrees they respond fine, at 100 or 20 its different.
    Stock RPM limit is 6000 on a Sporty. Can be raised to 7000 on a stock motor (Harley's old Stage 1 flash), got mine at 6600 (S&S Cycles base map). Check out Hammer for what can be done, one of their bikes went from 65ish hp to 127 and revving out fairly high. When I get home I'll find a photo of the dyno chart.
     
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    Yeah that's the same as the Monster. The heat up stuff is done in the standard ECU then just tweaked off that with the PC5. Seems to work well, though I don't know the intricises of doing it since I got someone else to do mine. Have dealth enough with cars with ITBs (or individual carbs) though and it's similar. No engine really heats up identically, even watercooled ones will have a colder and a hotter cylinder.

    This can be where X pipes are good on twins etc.
     
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    I might need a new side stand now. My bike is starting to lean a bit more than it did this morning. Took me three hours to do a fork rebuild, with longer damper tubes. New brake line as well, old one was bare stainless, new one is longer and covered. And an oil change while I had it in the air.
    Did a bit of riding on it since then. No negative effects on steering so far. Going to take it easy for a while until I'm used to it again.
     
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    Well, turns out even with the raised suspension I can still scrape my pegs if I ride it in anger. Hit the left peg around a sharpish corner.
    With the raised front end it hasn't slowed the steering by any major amount, increased the mid corner stability (used to be a little twitchy) and the added ride height has helped a lot. Might add 12.5" shocks to the rear later, but for that I will need a new side stand. One off an Iron 883 or similar should work.
     
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    New side stand for the bike. Don't mind the chrome. Now when parked my bike is at a more normal angle.
     

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    Bling!