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Steering Advice - Pre-Leaners Course

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    So I failed my pre-leaner course in the most anticlymatic way - repeatedly twarted by an (admittedly tight) 90 degree left turn on the last drill.

    So, besides relaxing, does anyone have advice on how to tackle tight corners? I mean, it was like turning off a foot path into a driveway (with barriers on each side), not across an intersection. The fact that I could hit something made looking through the turn rather difficult too...so worried about those damn cones.

    I'm pretty sure my head got the best of me after 3+ hours, but it's also not a manoeuvre that was really practiced during the course - any advice would be appreciated (although I can't practice at the moment), attempt two is booked for Wednesday!
     
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    Nothing much that the instructors won't be telling you already. Keep relaxed, look through the corner (cones aren't going to jump out), counter steer to start the turn.
    When you go for the next attempt make sure you're not dehydrated, stay cool.
     
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    open the 90 deg corner as much as you can. Wide entry, tight apex , wide exit. That will form one big arc. Don't turn in too early cause your back wheel will be on a tighter line than the front.
     
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    I was planning to say just look where you want to go.. always remember that, no matter where you are or what you are doing. Your bike will go where you are looking.. It's saved me a couple of times.. and unfortunately it's how others have come unstuck eg. target fixation.
     
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    Valid points, all. Countersteering has been...basically insinuated more than taught, but lots of YouTube clips are clarifying! I do wonder how bad it would be if I ran over a cone though (can they take slow bikes out?).

    I was wondering about this! There wasn't a lot of space to open it up, but next time I'll definitely be giving it a more concentrated go. Thanks :)

    Target fixation is a weakness of mine, I've struggled with it doing indoor speed laps on quad-skates ("The wall is there, the wall is there, the wall is RIGHT THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO HIT IT"). As soon as something because a hazard I have to figure how to be aware but not fixated, confidence will be 90% of the trick I suspect. I bet I could have done the exact drill fine if the lines were marked instead of the cones (getting in my head)!
     
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    The sharp left turn in the last exercise is moving off from a stop and negotiating a left at low speed.
    The skill is introduced as part of the second exercise of day 2.
    Hold Fast idle and friction point, control speed with rear brake and turn your head.
    Posture is the key to control.
    Make the most of your free course and have fun.
     
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    This ^^

    If you're northside and free for a quick practice before Wednesday, let me know and we can run thorugh a couple
     
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    If you want to learn about counter steering ride in a straight line and push one side of the handlebars forward a little bit, gently at first and see what happens. Pretty sure counter steering only works above a certain speed - higher than the speed you do the test at, so probably is something you don't need to worry about for the test. Most of your turning for the test will involve turning the handlebars in the direction you want to go.

    With target fixation the hardest part is recognising you are doing it because it usually occurs when people go into a corner too fast or something unexpected happens in front of them so there is a bit of panic happening at the same time. This is where experience helps you to recognise it, (but it can happen to experienced people also). Peoplel tend to stare at the site of their next accident. Once you recognise you are doing it look where you want to go instead and voila. With the low speed test you are doing just don't look at the cones, look where you want to be instead. For example if you see a rock on the road, look to the left or right of it about a foot or so and you should miss it.

    As others have said the best way to do the tight turns (and the U-turn in the P's test) is to turn you head and look where you want to go, just turning your eyes doesn't seem to work that well.

    Good luck with it all.
     
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    Counter steering initiates all turns but people don't realise at low(ish) speeds because then, once the bike is starting to lean over the bars turn in the direction of the turn.

    The 90 degree turn is also in the start of the P's test. It's not hugely difficult, but a lot comes down to a) starting the turn out nice and wide, coming into the middle of the corner, and then exiting wide: making it the broadest corner possible. The second is that the more nervous people are, the more they just wanna get the corner over and done with - this means they turn too early and that means you don't end up nailing it.

    Eyes up nice and high to make sure you're not feeling like everything is too fast, start wide, come into the corner, exit wide, and it'll flow like nothing :).
     
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    slow speed turns... forget about counter steering.
    relax. loose arms and big breath - so you drop your shoulders.
    Start nice and wide, use the friction point if you want... but nice and smooth...
    but keep your head up! Look where you want to go.
    DON'T look at the ground, the line, the barriers, or the cones.
     
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    Walking the bike on the friction point: constant throttle, pretty much constant clutch, moderating speed with rear brake makes a mahoosive difference. I should have mentioned that. More revs than you think you need, too :). Makes everything so much more stable.
     
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    This guy has it right. You practice these early on with the 'moving from a driveway' task earlier.
     
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    Funnily enough, *that* I did fine. It was the turn from the far outside lane to the stopping point that got me...

    Huuuuuuugely appreciate the offer, but alas I don't have a bike/gear yet (have been waiting on the license)...once I do I'll be hunting up anyone who wants to practice Northside :)

    Thank you, it's the little tips like this (just the distance) that I've been missing!

    This I definitely forgot in the heat of the moment *cough*panic*cough*...

    PS. You guys rock! Most of the info isn't really new, but the support and the simple tips are awesome :D
     
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    In which case, get out there and smash it on Wednesday :).
     
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    Woot, second attempt but I am now licensed! I attribute my success to 50% the advice/tips on here (I was definitely better for them), and 50% to the second instructor marking out the course slightly differently (so I had to turn left around a cone, not between two reclining cones...). Now to get a bike, and then I'll hopefully see you folk at some practice sessions! :)
     
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    yay!! congratulations :)
     
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    Well done.
     
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    Appreciate the offer, but I may have possibly splurged on a TU250 (demo) from the only place in canberra selling them today...
     
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