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    so does lean angle directly reflect how fast someone is? If so, then i should have been fastest on my Ls because i was scraping pegs. I havent done that in a while...
     
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    Shuttup everyone. God has spoken.

    Lean angle alone is the key to speed.

    Because the more you're leant over the more power you can get down.
     
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    And I think it's fate that gos auto corrected to god :lol
     
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    dragging your pegs at slow speed through a slow corner really means SFA. In your example its entirely possible that you are faster through corners without dragging your pegs, because your style has changed a bit after learning to ride, and you now hang off the bike a bit more - pegs are therefore not dragging but you can still be a bit quicker through that same corner.....

    Lean angle at real speed is what its all about though. There is a reason that MM regularly drags his elbows through corners and this is reflected in his lap times.

    Tyre manufacturers are not making better compounds so riders can lean over less.....;)

    :cool:
     
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    but it means im getting leeeeean! cause thats what its about! less chicken strips!
     
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    it does mean that and what a great thing it is :) - nobody wants Colonel Sanders calling ;)

    I still vividly remember the first time I ever touched the alternator cover down on the Black Pearl.......and it was a total mistake which I had not anticipated or in fact even tried to achieve......

    Long story short - overtook a bus way too late - about 40m before the turn-off into my street. Arrived at the corner far too quick so had to really throw the bike into the corner to make it through......halfway around I felt/heard the alternator cover scrape the road......was probably 21 or 22 at the time and had barely scraped a toe while riding this bike, let alone drag an engine extremity......it almost made me fall off the bike.

    I have seen some punters hanging off their bikes dragging everything - and still been slow. Its all about technique - but at the end of the day (at least when applied in a track context) - the bloke who can lean his bike over further is generally going to be the fastest bloke around the track.

    :cool:
     
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    That was a long story....
     
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    well it would be when you have the attention span of a gnat.

    :p
     
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    Yep, the photos from a few weeks back. There was less disparity then, but still, the angle of the front tire doesnt show it very much. The rear tire's being slowly rubbed in more and more, but front stayed the same.
    That was more directed at road riding. Obviously MotoGP riders are going to be maxing out, but unnecessarily steep angles on the road doesnt mean I'm fast or skilled.
     
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    Going off your tyre I wouldn't worry about being too fast or skilled:lol
     
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    Fast, skilled road riders have no chicken strips, simple as that. Real fast ones get their tyres balled up along both edges after a strop down the Clyde :ridgy

    Chicken strips, how wide they are or are not - is not something to worry about anyway - speed and the ability to get your lean angles further and further over, is just something that comes after years of experience and often a lot of crashes - these are almost inevitable as you learn your own limits, the limits of the bike and the limits of whatever tyres are fitted at that time. Suspension settings make a difference simply because they allow you to use more of the bike - cranking it over further while maintaining control.

    Its almost like dragging a knee for the first time - the more that a rider worries about achieving this, the less likely they are to achieve it. Just concentrating on riding better - and the knee will drag without the rider having to worry at all. Just riding the bike a lot will eventually see the total disapearance of all chicken-strippiness :)
     
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    Nothing wrong with chicken strips, show's that you're not a hoon.
     
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    Really lovely bike. Well done. Nice colour too. As others have said, don't worry about your chicken strips, and they'll take care of themselves. It's zen, or something.
     
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    While there are plenty of riders out there who are faster than me I am more than happy with the pace I go on the road, occasionally touching sliders (albeit with knee out a little more than on the track) is plenty fast enough for me on the road and I always have chicken strips. It has nothing to do with your pace. If you use appropriate lines, turn reasonably quickly and move your body you don't need to get rid of chicken strips to be a fast road rider. There is so much more to a corner (road or track) than lean angle. Of course Gos is correct that in a track scenario when everyone is already doing everything perfectly to start with (lines, body position, turn in, throttle, etc) the bloke who can lean the bike over further will be faster.

    But will certainly agree with Gos, not something to focus on.
     
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    Ok I know this discussion is a few days old now and when it comes to chicken strips my thoughts are pretty much the same as Humptey's

    The front tyre i just replaced on my softail had no chicken strips. It was nothing to do with me having the thing leant over in the corners scraping all manner of things on the bike but more to do with heavy use of front brake and a slow leak meaning i sometimes rode with a slightly under inflated tyre.

    A few comments on this thread about lean angle...relating more to the track than on the road had me thinking. The art of hanging off enables a rider to maintain a speed around a turn but using less lean angle than if he/she were to take that same turn by just leaning. The more upright the bike the sooner the rider can power out of the turn
    It was mentioned in earlier comments that the futher your lean angle on the bike the faster you will be (barring other influences) however wouldnt the opposite be true in that the less you need to lean your bike yet maintain the same or faster speed would be better.
    I read somewhere that a writer was asked why MM doesnt seem to get the same lean angle as other riders and this may explain his abilities on the track a little. If his "hanging off" technique is such that it allows him to have less lean angle than his competitors this would be of more benefit to be able to power out of the turns earlier

    Again I am not in anyway imaginable an expert on these things and can go only on what i have read in magazines and online

    If we carried this theory over to chicken strips and had 2 riders on exactly same type of bike with same tyres and had rider 1 do a lap of Mr Mac maintaing set speeds but only leaning into turns and rider 2 doing same speeds but hanging off in the turns then really rider 2 should have bigger chicken strips than rider 1 as the lean angles would be less..????

    I dont usually comment on these sorts of topics as my knowledge is limited but just throwing it out there..and it sounded better in my head.

    Oh and Whobang. Nice bike. Love the triumphs in white
     
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    Knee down and no chicken strips are the only ways to go fast. Bike, tyre and posture has no relevance. These 2 things are the only things you need to achieve, at any expense.
     
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    You forgot one last key element.

    A split pin in your axle nut. Without one you are doomed
     
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    Ooh Ooh is it too early to bring up body steering?
     
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    Nah mate, you're just in time.

    Meanwhile, here's Marquez testing the new Suzuki MotoGP bike. They're essentially a roadbike, yeah?
    Notice the knee and elbow down. therefore fast.

    He's waiting for everyone else to catch up, that's why he looks so bored. Lucky it's a gixxer, you should see the poor kid try to stay awake on a CBRThou. You'd swear he was driving down the Hume Highway, macro-sleeps errywhere. That explains his last-corner moment in Austin, he literally fell asleep mid-race.
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    Boy can ride. He has mahoosive lean angle of 135 deg, huge body steering going on but still has chicken strips. Don't stress about it. Just go to KFC and get a large chicken strip meal and you'll be fine. marquez.jpg
     
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