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Turning off the Engine

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    There's just nothing about the electrical flow of how a kill switch operates on a Triumph that makes it likely to ruin the ECU. Running out of power on the battery isn't fun, and if it is a traditional coil setup then you also risk burning out the coil if you leave the ignition on.

    Kill switch, then ignition switch. That covers off on the potential risks imho.
     
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    From a different perspective, when I rode up to the dealer to get my Tuono serviced and used the kill switch to cut the engine, the mechanic advised against doing it that way because he said the kill switch itself is not particularly strong and will eventually fail if used constantly. To replace it is supposed to be a major hassle. Hassle + mechanic = expensive so ignition key it is for me.
     
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    I use the kill switch regularly on my triumph, and it 'talks to the aliens' (the ecu makes some very weird dial-up modern style noises) regardless off the method of turning the engine off. So, in my limited mechanical experience, I assume that the kill switch only shuts off the ecu and engine, and the ignition key turns off everything. Still easier for me to hit the switch with my thumb to kill the noise while rolling into the driveway with my crazy neighbour than turning the key off.
    sparkle58, that's really weird. Why would it be any more fragile than anything else on the bike? What did they say about the high beam switch?
     
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    There're like literally thousands of threads on the interwebs about this. One punter on these forums summed it up pretty neatly, which to me at least makes most sense:

    The kill switch is an emergency switch.
    It's there so that you can hit it quickly if you have a problem, it's a slight throwback to older bikes which didn't have auto cutoff or down sensors.
    If you drop a newer bike it will almost certainly cut it's engine by itself, on an older bike you could fall over and the engine would continue to run which could lead to all sorts of problems. The rear wheel could be on your leg and it would spin and tear ........ well I'm sure you get the picture. You can have all sorts of things go wrong that need you to be able to shut the engine down, throttle cable failure/stuck open, snapped chain that is wrapped around the front sproket and is flogging the bike and you to pieces are just two that come to mind. The kill switch allows you to switch off without taking your hands off the handlebars.
    The key can be in all sorts of places, the VN900 for example has it down under the seat on the left side, not the easiest of places to reach when in a hurry.
    The kill switch is always (there may be some elsewhere) on the right grip easily accessible to the right thumb.
    The general reason it is suggested that you use it by most training courses is to get you familiar with it and add it to muscle memory. There's no point having one if you have to go looking for it when you need it.
    It's a bit like the indicators, you should learn the habit of periodically pushing in on the indicator button so you know they are off when not being used. I ride a bike with self cancelling indicators, I still switch them off all the time, it's a long term habit and I do it without thinking.
    As for forgetting the key, it should be one fluid motion, kill switch off, kill switch back on and reach for the key.

    Key or Kill, really no difference electrically, being able to hit it automatically is the point.
     
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    There's a high beam switch?! Kidding - it's just a bit silly on my bike as all it does is raise a little flap that in theory shines the headlight a bit further up the road. Uh yep, super! But back to point, I hear what you're saying mate and it sounds weird I know but I'm not going to test the validity of it. Just a slightly more effort and the bike is switched off so the key is it for me.
     
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    I've had way more keybarrels stuff up on motorbikes than kill switches :).
     
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    And hanging bulk crap off your key ring will only exacerbate that problem. I only use a single key with no keyring attached and my ignition switch is like new.
     
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    With the design of the Monster's key area, you can't have anything else on there :). But it's usually how I have it. Same with cars - I own too many vehicles to have my other keys on some vehicle keys. Each vehicle gets a separate key, then the other crap goes on the house keys :).
     
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    I finally found out what the kill switch is for...
     
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    Key bangers are so awesome.
     
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    And they get even better when you've destroyed your exhaust
     
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    Yep. Or when you destroy your exhaust doing them :D
     
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    Yeah that's what I was saying haha, blew up a mates and they just get louder and louder after that
     
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    Years ago I was driving my car when I finally perfected doing keybangers.

    I was like a teenage discovering masturbation. No place was sacred, and I did it as often as possible.

    Finally one day I was driving a few people more than my car was designed to carry into the city. Going down a steep hill, I killed the engine and we putted down the hill.

    The car started backfiring without turning the key on.

    Finally, after what felt like an age, I turned the ignition back on.

    A nuclear blast would have been quieter.

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    It is very hard to covertly drive 9 people in a 5 seater car when the exhaust has been opened nose to tail like the Lord himself had taken a can opener to the pipe.
     
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    Had a guy at work when I was a apprentice. He used to come back from lunch and do a key banger every day until he blew his exhaust off right in front of the boss showing new clients threw the place.
     
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    Turning off the engine -

    "My Hayabusa manual says "turn the key to the OFF position".

    My Victory manual says "move the engine stop/run switch to the STOP position, then move the ignition switch to the OFF position"
     
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    Just went through my Street Triple manual and it says to switch off at the ignition and that "the engine stop switch is for emergency use only".
     
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    Looks like a case of each manufacturer has their own versions of it.
     
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