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    the single biggest improvements you can make, in order, are *better calipers* , then an upgraded master cylinder. Good rotors and braided lines are an improvement - but the master cylinder tends to make more of an instant change than just about anything else.

    Also - use EBC HH brake pads. The best of the lot.

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    Yeah. An upgraded MC is on the wish list. Although probably wont be on the bike for quite a while.

    At this stage, I'll be still using the standard MC and calipers. Although I'll be putting a new seals kit through the calipers.
     
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    well, you'll definitely see an improvement with the new pads, seal kit and braided lines.

    But prepare for a whole new world when you bung on a good 19mm radial m/c off an 08 R6 or similiar !! This made such a difference to the MFP12 when I changed the stock m/c to a gixxer750 radial - brakes which were 'excellent', now went to 'sublime'.....almost zero fade under severe conditions !! ( ie flat knacker down Mt Hotham chasing a feral ZX10R). The old set-up faded quite badly on this same section the previous year.....not any more though ! :ridgy
     
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    Current R1's post '07 have radial M/C's along with the radial 6-pots. Along with fully floating rotors. The M/C should bolt straight up, clipons seem the same as models-past

    I gotta say - I've never heard *anyone* moan about the stock brakes like Mike has... and I've fettled more than a few myself. I have *no idea* what the previous owner did to them.. because I know they where shocking when mike got the bike.
    A brake upgrade to the R1 is honestly probably the *last* thing on my list of 'must dos' to any of the R1's/R6's I've had... It's right there after the "Change all the bolt heads to titanium for weight saving" :lol :lol :lol

    Also - if you wanna talk about 'fade issues' - best thing you can do is whack in some Motul Race DOT 5.2 - its *NOT* the silicon/synthetic fortefied stuff that is designed for braided lines (i.e, it wont clog/eat rubber lines) but its still "Race Spec" - has super high boil point etc. You *DO* need to replace it more often (3-6 months will see it pretty useless) but its sooooo worth it if you find you are suffering brake fade *not* related to the pistons/pads...

    Well, hopefully this is the last of your problems with the stoppers for a while Mike... :up
     
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    I've never had brake fad problems with the R1.

    I've never had enough stopping power to get the 5.1 anywhere near hot enough :cry

    The first problem I came across is the brakes felt like they were seized. Rick Miller found a broken piece of alloy in the leaver which was at random keeping the front leaver 'stuck' in the open position. The next problem is they have never had any power to them. After riding Mick C's ZX10 and seeing how super sport brakes were suppose to feel it really opened my eyes.

    So I figure, it's now been on the road for almost 10 years (first registered in 2000). I may as well go the whole she-bang. Even if things don't necessarily need replacing right now, it'll save me having to do it later. So, new rotors, new lines, caliper kit and I'm pretty sure they are EBC pads in there ATM. Will check on the weekend.

    But with the new suspension and new brakes it will feel like a new bike :thumbsup:
     
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    Easy way to tell if you have EBC Double-H's... if you push it in the garage with the clutch in do you hear a grinding noise ? If Yes, then you have Double-H's :lol :lol The only brake pads I've ever run that are better are some CarbonLorraine ones that cost twice the EBC Double-H's.

    I love sintered pads... I dont like the way they eat rotors doing nothing but rolling down the road... and the way they convert to soap-blocks in the wet unless you setup/squeeze.... but man... you gotta love that 'broomstick through the wheel spokes' feeling !! :D
     
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    Well, yes. I can tell you they are HH's then. Cause the pads grind like nothing else when pushing it into the garage.
     
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    Nissin radial M/C's are pretty easy to find, that's what Gixxers have had for a while.
     
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    She's finally into see Laurie. WP shock to be installed and front end rebuilt.

    After his recommendation there will be a few goodies going into the front end. :cool:

    Can't wait to get it back. After seeing how well the ZX6R handles I can't wait to get the R1 out on the road. :up
     
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    You should just listen to me in the first place :p :p :p :lol :lol
     
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    I did listen. And then my bank told me I could not have them. Then Laurie told me I really should have them. So I told my bank I really need them, more then food and petrol for a week, so we came to a mutual agreement. :cool1!:

    So I'm going to be hungry and bored for a week or two but it should be worth it..
     
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    New suspension is in! Havn't taken it out for a ride yet and wont get a chance until next week but it's such a relief to finally have that sorted...

    Also, spent the arvo, bleeding my brakes, again and again and again... Have a *better* leaver feel then before but I'm still not 100% satisfied. So I'm gonna bite the bullet and do a full rebuild on the brakes. I have all the parts now besides seals.

    Snowy Mtns Highway here we come :cool1!:
     
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    Long time since the suspension update. Have done plenty of hard road riding since having the suspension work done by Laurie. On the road the bike feels great, however on the track the rear was just a little too soft I think. But this is fine as it was how I asked for it to be setup. I wasn't planning on doing any track work on this bike until the ZX6 started giving me troubles.

    Feels very stable on the road. Tackling the bumpy Brindebella Roads it does exactly what you ask. I'd still like to experiment with lifting the rear up but it will have to wait for a damper. Currently the head shake is pretty bad, so changing geometry to make it more flighty would probably not be a good idea without a damper.

    Oh, and I just put a 45 tooth sprocket on the rear, up from 43 stock... it is now a pretty scary bike to ride. It's already tried to throw me off once on the test ride and it was only a 2 minute ride up my street. Fun times ahead.
     
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    You came to race.... :up
     
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    Mike - didn't yours already have a 14T or 15T front on it tho ? so sticking a 45T on the rear is almost the same as dropping the front to 13T?? (Stock is 16/42 on that year model...)
     
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    Not sure what the front sprocket it, but I think it is standard on the front. I'll count them this arvo, I couldn't see anything written on it when I was doing the rear this morning.
     
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    And we finally have good brake pressure. Bought a King Chrome one man bleeding system. Worked a treat. Heaps of air came out. Still think there is a little air in there but its currently good enough to move my nuts up on top of the tank, so I think that's powerful enough.
     
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    Gosling 1, why would you want to change Factory Yamaha Monoblocks calipers?
    A radial master cylinder will help, but the 07-08 R1 and R6 units are only 16mm, all components are Brembo.
    New seals braided lines and OEM pads are more than enough. We are no talking about the crappy Kawasaki ZX10 units here.

    I have a RCS 19 master cylinder on my 07 R1 but it is overkill, On my 01 R1 i raced that bike 4 3 years without any issues with the standard equipment and braided lines.
     
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    Any chance i could borrow your bleeder and try it on my clutch? Or i can come visit you??? Please :bow

    Need to get the clutch sorted prior to the Marulan track day!
     
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    Whickle, call me.