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    As I said to some one recently, they remind me of the ring-pulls on a tuna can.

    All bits from Bunnings:
    • 4x M12 Eye-bolts (in the rope/hook aisle)
    • 4x M12/ 1/2" "mudflap" washers
    • 4x M12x1.75 pitch (either) Lock nuts or serrated nuts.
    • 2x 90mm x 90mm x 75mm x 6mm steel right angles (from where all the veranda brackets etc are)
    • Loctite ( @supamodel can probably suggest the specific stuff to use, but I used the red stuff on the 'glue stick')

      Here is the right angle bracket:

      [​IMG]
    Cut the right-angle brackets in two, so you end up with 4x 90mm x 90mm x 5mm plates. They're already pre-drilled with a 12mm hole. The hole is slightly off-center, but thats ok.
    Using the plates as a guide, find places both forward and aft in the tray, along the walls up high(ish) that the plate will sit flat and not foul on any lumps of bumps. The Holden has access plates both forward and aft; remove these so you can reach in behind to feel for any existing brackets etc that might get in your way.
    When you're happy with placement, mark using the plates your four holes.
    Drill out your four holes @ 12mm (or 1/2") being very careful to no go too far thru and belt the outer steel of your tray.
    Put the washers on the eye-bolts. Put some Loctite on thread.
    From behind, hold the steel plate in place and feed the eye-bolt through both the tray inner and the plate. Put nut on.
    Do up to "Dont fucking fall off" lbs/inch
    Wash, rinse, repeat 3 more times.

    Tip: As I mentioned, the holes in the 5mm plate are slightly off center. You can use this to your advantage. For instance, the front eye bolts are "generally" going to be pulled UP to the handle bars on a bike yeah? So you rotate the steel plate so the 'extra' bit points down to give it more strength in that direction. Similarly, the rear ones are generally going to be pulled forward for smaller bikes, or rearward to larger bikes. So if you generally carry larger bikes, rotate the 'extra' bit to the front to give the rear pulling more strength.

    The finished product:
    [​IMG]
     
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    What a reply! Cheers, that could come in very handy :up
     
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    Added photos.
    Also I corrected the bracket dimensions that Bunnings sells.


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    Just a point to be careful on, even the M12 eyelets like that aren't that strongly rated. The welded end eyebolts are better options, easy to exceed a couple of hundred kg on motorcycles when you are pulling both sideways and down on a bike.
     
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    They're an improvement on the standard tie-down points. And were the best available from Bunnings.
    Also, the service manager at ARB (who tends to know what he's talking about) said it was more than good enough.
     
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    Well, if the ones I used ever let go, I'll let you know.
    From what I can tell, the eye-bolts I used are rated at 350Kg. Yes, the ones you used are rated to 930Kg, however I was specifically after eye-bolts with a collar on them to neaten up the install.
    Agreed that a bike bouncing around can generate more than 350Kg in force, however surely that force is then spread across all 4 bolts? And can be alleviated somewhat by tying it down properly and not letting it bounce around?

    EDIT: If its a concern, you can get the M12 versions of what Richard posted at Blackwoods in Fyshwick.
     
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    those eyelets will be fine. For starters - and you have already identified this - the bike is not going to be bouncing around in the tray anyway, once its secured properly. Secondly - I would defy anyone on this forum to generate more than 350kg of force when pulling tie-downs down tight, that is just never going to happen. Yes in some extreme circumstances, forces exceeding 350kg may be generated by a bike tied-down in the back of your ute - but if the ute is rolling over end-to-end at 100kmh, then I think worrying about the bike in the back is going to be the least of your worries.

    Under normal driving situations - around town at suburban speeds - corners etc - you won't go within a bulls roar of exceeding the limits on those eyelets. I got told the same thing about the Wasteland tie-downs I used for the Barge many years ago - the turnbuckles I used were just galvanised 8mm, a heap of punters told me I needed at least 10mm stainless steel ( at roughly 12 times the cost). I called bullshit, the gal turnbuckles would be fine - and yes, 9 years later they have never failed and will never fail, as the stress through these has never gone close to exceeding the SWL of these turnbuckles.

    Over-engineering can be useful in some contexts but in others, can also be a complete WOFTAM.

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    It's useful if, say, you carry anything tall in the tray. Like a piano, for instance :). Or even bookshelves. It's not just about bikes.

    The eyelets cost roughly the same, and are in the same aisle at Bunnings. I know, because I have a bunch of welded eyelets, and I have a bunch of the zinc plated eyelets.
     
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    well yes, a piano would generate a shit-tin more force than a 75cc yamaha step-through ;) It is just about bikes - what is this SNAG stuff about bookshelves ??? they should be carried in the wife's SUV ! :bolt.gif:
     
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    Bookshelves make excellent storage for engines.

    Anyway that's my 2 cents. I'm all for not going more than you want: after all, any stupid fucker can build a bridge that stands up. It takes engineering to make it *just* stand up. I personally - and have - gone for welded end eyelets in a variety of sizes, plus a variety of the same eyelets Lurch has used. Horses for courses and I'm just pointing out the options :).
     
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    Can't these things handle double what they are rated at anyway to account for the idiot factor? They aren't going to get to 351 kilos and fail.

    Thought so:
    "At left is an image of a 10mm BRIDCO LR shackle with a WLL of 0.75 Tonne. The proof load
    for this shackle is 1.5 Tonne.
    In our test this particular shackle broke at 5.72 Tonne"
    http://www.bridco.com.au/pdf/Bridco -Load Rated.pdf
     
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    On a much more important subject than shackle breaking loads, where's the Bundy Rum and B & S Ball stickers ?
     
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    WLL also applies to the M10 eyelets I linked to, which are 3 and a bit times higher ;).

    The WLL is usually a factor of four. It's not an idiot factor, that's how engineering is (generally) done. It isn't at all guaranteed though. If it breaks at 351 kg then that's still within the WLL.

    Given the choice, in the same aisle, there's a multitude of options. I prefer for these applications to use welded end eyelets. For one, you can go smaller which is also useful for packaging. M10 also happens to be a good size for a bunch of things, e.g. it matches the Kaneg locking nuts that are available which saves you using plates and a bunch of other things.

    That's why I mention it. The eyelets used here are not the only ones, even at Bunnings. And, as I mentioned, I have both and I use both.
     
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    tl;dr: nothing in life is guaranteed, and just cause 1 shackle breaks at a million times the proof load is no guarantee that anything else will withstand the WLL.
     
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    Finally, it's bloody wrong to refer to it as a kg load rating. It's a force, it's in Newtons, and it's probably 3400 N.

    ... which means a modern 1000cc sportsbike could quite happily destroy one of those if it was anchored against it. Sounds like some science I should do.
     
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    you should. Under normal load conditions - i.e. bike anchored at 4 points, stable - ute driving down to Maccas for lunch - normal suburban corners taken at normal suburban speeds - I can't see how those WLL of those anchor points would be remotely troubled ??

    Ute careering down the road end-over-end at 120kmh - yes, I can see how the forces generated by the mass of the bike, could potentially exceed the WLL of an individual shackle for a moment or 2 ( did you see what I did there ? ) rofl.

    :)
     
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