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What's a good macro lens for a canon EOS?

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    A mate of mine wants to buy a macro lens for a Canon EOS 450D.

    What's a good price/good lens?

    Is he best off spending ~$300 for a lens, or is it worth saving for a $1k+ lens?
    Does it make that much difference?
     
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    I can't speak specifically about the Canon lenses, but I was frustrated using a couple of cheaper macro lenses... so, out came the money, and the 105VR for my Nikon. It's a fantastically lovely lens and does everything I want it to do.

    Admittedly I take pictures of rocks so, meh... but it does that very nicely.

    How much of a difference? Well, for one, working distance is important. The more focal length for a true macro(1), in general, the further back from your subject you can be. This is important for two things: one, lighting, and two, not freaking out things you're photographing.

    The second is that if one just wishes to cock around with macro, could well be better off with decent extension tubes & a lens to suit. Cheap 50mm lenses work well; I understand that to get best results on Canons you want to pay for decent extension tubes that'll allow the electrical connections to be made to the lens. That's a lot less flexible: by using extension tubes, your working distance can get quite short for large magnifications, and, you also lose infinity focus. I like my 105 cause it's also a good portrait lens, and often a great action lens too. Super cheap tubes are that, they're cheap. They work - but on Canons I think you have to trick the lens to get it to stop down to the right aperture, take it off, and do manual exposure.

    DoF with macro lenses, at proper macro distances, is fkn tiny, so you want something that'll stop down to a pretty small aperture, f/45 for instance @ minimum focal distance. As you stop down, you lose sharpness due to diffraction, so cheaper lenses definitely tend to look more bum when stopped down.

    (1) Gives you 1:1 at the sensor/film, i.e. something 50mm across is going to ~fill an entire frame on a full-frame DSLR or a 35mm film negative.
     
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    Cheers!
    So, quality is remembered long after price is forgotten?
    Any thoughts/experiences on/with a Tamron SP AF 90mm f/2.8 DI macro 1:1?
     
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    Quality is definitely remembered long after price, plus, macro photography is one of the demanding ends of the photography spectrum.

    With the Tamron, someone here at work got one, then on-sold it after being a bit meh and borrowing my 105VR (they're on Nikon, too). That's the only knowledge I have.

    IMHO, resale value of items also needs to be taken into consideration in the price factor, and Canon lenses do sell better (and for higher prices) than third-party lenses...
     
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    Cheers for that, the canon lens looks like the winner at the moment...
    ef 100mm f 2.8 macro usm
     
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    The Canon 100mm macro is good. I've also heard good things about the Sigma 105mm. The Canon is internal focussing, which means the barrel doesn't extend while focussing, unlike the Sigma which extends quite a bit. On a normal lens this wouldn't be an issue but it's something to be mindful on a macro as you'll be very close to some subjects and may actually collide with them.
     
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    Hey Stu,

    I did a lot of research on macro's and apart from the L series Canon macro ($1,000 +) i would have to say that the Tamron 90mm f2.8 is the best one in terms of value for money. With our strong dollar at the moment, it would be a great deal to buy from DWI digital cameras (i buy all my gear from here) and even though its from HK, it arrives in less than 2 days and they have an office in Sydney should there be any warranty issues pop up.

    Have a look at one of my Flickr accounts for a sample of some macro's shot using the tamron. i couldnt be more happy with the quality of not only the photos but the lens itself.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49189308@N03/

    Hope this helps :)
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    That DWI place doesn't look bad... $82 for the Canon 50mm f/1.8 I paid $150 for. (I couldn't be stuffed shopping around at that point)

    After the christmas/double rego hit is over I might have to invest in a new lens........ ;)
     
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    Another and much cheaper option is to get a set of macro extender tubes. These fit between a normal zoom or prime lens and the camera body.
    Downside is manual focus and shallow DoF - but then don't you use manual focus anyhow?
    Upside is it's really really cheap. Also it means that you can use any lens with it - use the 50mm for lower light stuff where you can get in real close, but with a 200mm zoom you can get further away from those bees, spiders etc and not freak them (or you) out!

    For $12 I've had great results

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Macro-Extension...ccessories&hash=item1c1520ecf7#ht_1600wt_1113
     
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    What about macro bellows?

    I have a Dynax 5D DSLR, and on ebay there is a macro bellows, has guides etc, from the look of it, its like a set of macro tubes, but infinitely variable distance.
     
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    One trick for macro if you are really cheap that I have heard of but not tried is taking the normal lens off and flipping it back-to-front. You can then adjust the focus/zoom manually or by moving it the lens in and out...
     
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    Yep, lens reversal is another method that works. On Canons I thought there needed to be a bit of trickery to get the aperture right. On Nikons you just use an older lens with an aperture ring. Also, you get greater magnification the shorter the focal length of the lens. I own a 28mm lens for just this purpose.

    It has at least as many working distance problems as using tubes (you have very little distance between front of lens and subject when you use tubes or reverse a lens), without a good adapter you can end up with a load of dust on the sensor, too. But it definitely is cheap, esp. if you can find instructions on how to set the aperture on an electronic Canon lens then have that aperture stay once you remove the lens.
     
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    Probably an easy way to void the warranty... just set the aperture to whatever you like, and hold down the DoF preview button while unmounting the lens :)
     
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    Awesome, that's handy to know... well, ok, not handy for me as I don't have a Canon, but that's a pretty neat trick. As I said, I keep a couple of aperture-ringed lenses around for my Nikon but I haven't done reversal stuff for macro for aaaages.

    I might pull out my oldschool bellows though. They won't mount to my D70 (which is about to get converted to being an IR camera) but they apparently will mount to my D90...
     
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    You're better off getting a dedicated macro lens. From my experience the lens reversal method is a nuisance at best.
     
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